Provide hosting in Canada for Canadians to avoid the US Patriot Act
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There's a tonne of FUD going around about data residency requirements in Canada... Chances are you don't actually need the days to physically reside in Canada.
There's even more FUD about the PATRIOT act: geographic location of data won't protect you from it. Also, the number of Canadian organisations that were subject to PATRIOT requests since the act came into being has been... Zero?
Lyle Viereck commented
We're not deeply concerned about the Partiot Act, we're just trying to work within Canadian Laws that state that the database must reside on Canadian soil. Simple as that. A datacenter here would open up a lot of options for us.
Michael Herman commented
I (the original person who posted this request) have since heard that even if your organization's data is physically in Canada, it is likely still subject to requests from the US government. That is, physically having your data in Canada may not alleviate your concerns with respect to the Patriot Act. I'm not an expert - so seek proper legal advice if you have a deep concern.
Paroon Chadha commented
Its already too late but we need to get some guidance from Microsoft on when Azure or if Azure will be available in Canada. As a provider of a solution built on Azure, this is a serious hurdle and making doing business in Canada increasingly difficult. Does anyone have a date when MS may get to this?
Obviously we need data centers in Canada (moot point).
The primary issue is that Azure does not guarantee that your data will reside in Canada, even if they have data centers in Canada.
Many clients, financial, government and others not only require the data reside in Canada (data storage, database, etc..) but that the data cannot be transmitted outside of the Country, "knowingly".
By "knowingly", they mean that we can't have web services, web applications, or services running off of non-Canadian located servers. The data content cannot be transported across borders.
They can't control IP traffic going across borders, but all of our applications, database and file storage servers, blob storage, etc... must all reside in Canada.
Until this is addressed Azure is not a viable option for Canadian financial, corporate and government organizations.
Jackie Forde commented
With MS not having a presence for Azure in Canada it greatly inhibits our ability to provide our services to our Canadian government clients as Canada's data privacy standards are much higher than in the US, and they will not do business with anyone putting their data in the US. how soon is this a reality?
HAving a data center in Canada is a must!
My Mails commented
Yes, Definitely West Coast is better than East Coast even though East Coast has more business/clients. However, its not the distance but US Patriot Act that is the hurdle.
When will Microsoft even consider this?
Yes, please!! An Azure Datacenter in Canada!! It's a great forward looking investment for Microsoft.
1. Canada is a first world country
2. Tremendous IT growth and Companies looking to migrate to the Cloud
3. Great climate help to help keep operating costs down
4. We really need a first, either a local Azure or AWS here to get things really booming
Jim Collins commented
My vote is for the West Coast as there is clearly demand here (clouda.ca -> http://imgur.com/OSB1fDq ) and the major fibre backbone goes directly up the West Coast to Vancouver.
Ben Adams commented
Idle thought, I'd start east-coast in Nova Scotia rather than west coast, as then you sit on a bundle of Atlantic undersea cables. West coast the cables end in Seattle rather than in Canada
I recommend you do this sooner than later and frankly I can't believe it is not done yet. You are losing business and will lose more. You want to be the leader then be a leader.
@brandon, if you read below, this request should just ignore the 'Patriot Act' portion and just focus on providing a datacenter on Canadian soil. Many businesses want to keep their data on Canadian soil, whether by law or by a strong pressure from their customers. With the Ireland thing, you're referring to an extreme, single case which will not apply any normal businesses here.
It's too hard for most businesses here to explain to each and every customer why their data is not in Canada...so they simply don't use azure. The real problem is that they are forced to find and develop for other services here, and by the time azure decides to set up shop here, no business will re-write their software just to move to azure. Timing is everything as large datacenters are now moving in here.
Brandon H commented
Not sure this would even get you around Patriot Act given the recent ruling about MS data in Ireland being forcefully turned over.
If you're considering Canadian locations, www.clouda.ca is hosting a survey for their next Canadian Cloud Datacenter, and British Columbia has strong demand and is the clear winner. Here's a quick screenshot: http://imgur.com/YRiFLOy (ps. Don't let others get a foothold while you ponder about a Canadian datacenter. You pondered and lost with mobile...DON'T do it with datacenters!)
AWS will take if from you, if you are not first..and they are expanding like fire in Vancouver already. First you move in the troops..then you build the camp, i.e. Datacenter.
Yes, please, Microsoft doesn't have to invest big in Canada. Just a small investment would do, because all you have to do is to start the developers "loving and building" with Azure. And when the market grows, guess what platform will all those developers want to adopt? AZURE ofcourse! If you you are not first in todays world..you are already last:( So please, do put a small investment in Canada with proper full Azure support...not the cheap/overpriced/feature lacking version of Azure on CloudOS. Thank you.
This title should just be changed to simply say "Provide a Datacenter on Canadian soil" (so don't get all hung up about the Patriot Act thing). It is a requirement (by law) for a lot of businesses here to house their data within Canada. We can't move our massive data and systems to Azure because we are required to stay within Canada. Our hands are tied by law, so even a single, 'smaller' Datacenter in Canada would be allow us to move to Azure.
Kevin Martin commented
Some clients require to be hosted in Canada.
I'm afraid Christoph Steinhauf is correct the US Patriot Act would stilly apply due to the fact that Microsoft is a US company.